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tattoo gunBlackWolf99 - 2005-05-27 02:09:24 Uhr
hey, for making a homemade tattoo gun...what would be an apropriate needle to use? sewing needle? i've heard an E Guitar String..anyone know anything else that might work? and where could one get professional ink from?
Re: tattoo gunxxAmy - 2005-05-27 03:51:57 Uhr
how about... DONT MAKE ONE AT ALL! and got get it done professionally, best idea ever!
Re: tattoo gunBlackWolf99 - 2005-05-27 03:57:20 Uhr
yea i suppose getting it done professionally would be best... i only wanna see how it would work, i read a whole bunch of sites sayin how to make one n everything...i just wanna see how it works, nothing big of course...maybe a dot or sumin..i dunno.. i just have my doubts about its capability to work..i'm one of those people who once i get stuck to sumin i have to go through with it..i'm hooked on trying to make this work now...
Re: tattoo gunxxAmy - 2005-05-28 03:11:28 Uhr
if you end up making one, great. but you WILL be tempted to use it, and thats just stupid. so i suggest that you go find sometthing else to build, and go get a professional tattoo =)
Re: tattoo gunwildcat-sts - 2005-05-29 12:17:34 Uhr
*mmmh* ... why do you want to make one??? If you only look for it you get one somewhere (even on ebay) ...
I mean lets say you have made your own tattoo-machine ... what would be next? would you mix your own colors and stuff???
Re: tattoo gunMartyn136 - 2005-05-30 01:10:20 Uhr
I hard that in some regions in india tattoo artists built their equipment themself, and even in some prisons detainess modified a electronic brush to a tattoo machine, but I don't know if it is true or not.
However, I think that isn't a good idea, because I think it's unable to get a good result with such a equipment.
Re: tattoo gunfreakychild - 2005-05-30 02:45:23 Uhr
a homemade tattoo machine, not 'gun, is nothing more than a rotory motor sitting on top of a tube... as i'm sure you already know....
in my opinion, making a homemade machine is rather stupid... the RPMs and relative strength isn't at all what is needed to get a satisfactory result... a sewing needle or E string from a guitar are also many times the size of a real needle arrangement used in professional machines...
furthermore, you'll hardly ever see a professional tattoo artist running a machine with just one needle... if thin line work is needed he'll use a three or four needle set... i personally like running with a star 5 needle setup (5 needles in a star pattern)...
and as i'm sure you know, a pro machine isn't a rotory machine... rather it has an arm that moves up and down to move the needle... there are pro rotory machines, but those are almost exclusively used for cosmetic tattooing (ie. permanent makeup)...
if it were me to say, i'd go ahead and tell you that making your own just to see how it would work is ok, if that's all your going to do with it.... i wouldn't even try to run a tattoo with it... the experience is just about the same as a pro machine would give, so there's really no point in it...
Re: tattoo gunBlackWolf99 - 2005-05-31 23:53:17 Uhr
well first i'd like to thank everyone for their comments, and i'd like to thank your for not making comments that YELL...thats annoying.. and i found something i can do with the gun now that its done! i can draw on leather....it looks pretty good too...takes a bit of time though...
Re: tattoo gunskiningla - 2005-06-06 01:47:08 Uhr
Looking further down this topic it looks like you have made your gun, and used it on leather, but you might still be interested in the following information.
Traditional tattooists tended not to use a single needle since the amount of ink placed under the skin by one point on its own tended not to last longer than 5 years or so in the past. Many modern tattooists do use a single needle for outlining, and their longer lasting results are probably due to better ink mixtures.
The traditional UK "outlining" needle is often 3 x 12guage sewing needles soldered together in a triangular pattern and then soldered to a wire which moves up and down according to the motor of the gun. Some tattooists use 5 needles, or more, to make their outlines. Whether you use 1, 3, 5 or whatever, depends on how thick you want the outline to be and how much fine control you want. (Compare drawing with a sharp pencil with drawing with a crayon).
For shading and colouring purposes the "needle" used can be anything from 5 to 11, or more, 12 guage needles, either arranged in a "round" cluster or spread out flat across the width of the needle bar.
But if you don't already know the above, like everyone else, I'd suggest that you go to a professional first rather than to try doing it yourself.
Re: tattoo gunxxakashaxx - 2005-07-24 22:33:52 Uhr
All I have to say is. If you want to tattoo, do it the right way. Don't be a scratcher, get an apprenticeship. Make a portfolio of your drawings, go to a shop and do it RIGHT.
Scratchers are dirty...
Re: tattoo gunxxakashaxx - 2005-07-24 22:34:33 Uhr
Oh, and the only way to get professional ink is to find a low end tattoo shop, dirty enough to sell to you. Or work in a shop.
Re: tattoo gunMartyn136 - 2005-07-25 22:12:42 Uhr
To my mind there are some shops and even onlineshops, that sells equipment like ink, but I also think that it's not a good Idea to try a selfmade-tattoo whitout any experience.
Re: tattoo gunxxakashaxx - 2005-07-29 21:43:35 Uhr
It's true that their are online shops that sell ink. But they only sell to shops. So, unless you're in a shop, you're fucked. And still a dirty scratcher.
Re: tattoo gunfreakychild - 2005-07-30 01:08:03 Uhr
that's not entirely true xxakashaxx...
there are some websites out there in webland that sell only to shops.... but in general, it's an open market....
for instance, when i got my UV ink tattoos... i bought the ink directly from the distributor and then in turn gave it to my tattooist to use....
but your other statement was true, in a way.... someone with no formal training and real needle hours should not be building an unsafe machine and attempting to perform tattoos.... it's not smart at all...
Re: tattoo gunxxakashaxx - 2005-07-30 23:40:30 Uhr
Thank you for correcting me. I did not know that. Well, I guess it's different everywhere. But I'm glad you agree with me that scratching is not the way to go.
Not only is it highly illegal, which does not usually sway people, it's very dangerous. You can severely damage a person if you do not have the correct training and equipment. There is a lot to tattooing, not just the art. The cleaning and sterilization are extremely important. There is bacteria (and such) on the outside of the skin, that if let inside the skin, can cause serious infections. And infections, if not caught in time, CAN cause fatalities. Although there are no documented cases of this happening, it is a risk.
So, I STRONGLY oppose to basement art. Better quality can be achieved getting tattooed in a shop. Money should not be an influencing factor on where, when and how big you get your tattoo.
Good tattoos are expensive and basement tattoos aren't worth the 10 or 20 bucks you spend.
Re: tattoo gunMartyn136 - 2005-07-31 23:26:32 Uhr
I agree to you that it is not recommend and also it is dangerous, but here in the European Union this would be not illegal.
Re: tattoo gunxxakashaxx - 2005-07-31 23:50:18 Uhr
Are you SURE about that? You might want to double check. I was raised in Germany and when I was there, it was illegal.
Re: tattoo gunMartyn136 - 2005-08-03 02:12:28 Uhr
I think here its for each person legal to buy or own tattooink, but don't make a big sense if it cannot be used.
And to come to the topic of the thread, I would also say trying to get tattood with a self-built equipment is not recommend, alike if it's legal or illegal.
Re: tattoo gunxxakashaxx - 2005-08-05 00:35:45 Uhr
Oh, it's fine to buy it here. It's home made tattoos that are illegal.
Re: tattoo gunBlackWolf99 - 2005-09-11 07:56:13 Uhr
wait scratching..thats illegal right...but is it illegal only if your tattooing other people? or is it illegal if your just tattooing yourself? becausei have abslutely no intentions of ever tattooing anyone other than myself....hesistant even about myself..i tried it...it didn't work too well...so yea..not doing that again...looks like @!#$... ya know.. so yea the next one is most definately a professional one..but yea..still curious as to wether its illegal period or just for tattooing other people.
Re: tattoo gunRaftiInstitute - 2005-09-11 10:45:55 Uhr
You’re thinking of a prison tattoo machine when you refer to a guitar “E” string, in prison they also use straightened bed springs for needles, for ink they uses ashes mixed with the clients own urine (urine is sterile to yourself if fresh), tubes are made from pen tubes and sterilization is less than it should be. Sewing needles are a poor choice for a tattoo machine because they are usually chrome plated and that itself can cause reactions in the skin if you are unlucky. Prison tattoo machines are typically rotary machines made from a tape recorder motor and they tend to lack power. Professional machines are much better that prison tattoo machines and dollar for dollar are far and away your best value as some of them can be purchased new for about $60 and the more expensive machines generally are not any better than a good $60 one. From what you wrote you do not yet understand enough to build a worthwhile machine, and your efforts would be better directed to purchasing a machine to study first, you’ll find that the professional machines out there are hard to improve upon and hold their value far better than anything you’d make.
Also if you are going to make anything go to a professional tattoo supply house and get the right parts, like for tattoo needles you can buy loose needles and solder them together yourself. Even if you already have excellent soldering skills pre-soldered needle bars are cheaper than making them yourself. If you really want to learn how to build good quality machines yourself then you should get back copies of “Machinegun” magazine because they discuss machine design in detail.
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