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PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!samaelmourningstar - 2005-08-28 06:47:20 Uhr
serious applicants only please.
$2500 up front 1-2 year apprenticeship based on aptitude.
danielson connecticut usa
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!skiningla - 2005-09-03 03:04:18 Uhr
LOL, like you're wanting to charge someone $2,500 for apprenticing? Do they get a cut of the fees paid for the piercings they do? (I suspect not.)
This is so risible, I can't stop laughing. (No flame intended.)
Flame ON! Save your cash, ignore "offers" like these, use your £2,500 to take Human Biology 101 at your local university and you'll learn a lot more about where it is safe to pierce than you will from spending it with "entrepreneurs" like this.
Is the piercing apprentice needed or is the $2,500 needed more? You judge!
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!samaelmourningstar - 2005-09-03 17:09:58 Uhr
TOUCHE.
First off yes, they do get a percentage of the income on clients they bring in to learn on. Secondly a bio 101 class wont teach you any thing about bloodbonre pathogens state regulations and cross contamination procedures. Of course there are hustlers in this biz but 2500 will be made back after your first month wotking part-time for me. Personally i need someone i can trust to run my shop in connecticut so i can open another shop in florida.However, you are entitled to your oppinion.It would have been nice if you posed questions to me instead of taking this as a personal attack and trying to discredit me all together.
thank you for your time.
samaelmourningstar
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!skiningla - 2005-09-04 02:58:15 Uhr
No problems, samaelmourningstar, I'm a natural questioner. Your reply is very reasonable given my provocative response, thank you. But charging people to learn your trade is not what apprenticeships are about in my personal constructs. If you want to teach, you do so, and pay a lesser wage until the person is qualified. If you want to exploit, you charge for the privelige of being your apprentice. Or maybe the world just turned on its head and we're back to the days of "indentured apprentices", 'cept they need to be rich before they can apply to be indentured?
Just a thought.
The attack wasn't personal, as such, it was a general attack on those who charge apprentices, and appear not to know what the word apprentice actually means. You offered an apprenticeship for a fee, so it looks to me that you don't really want to teach, but are more interested in the income it might generate. Obviously I'm completely mistaken in this, perhaps I could persuade you to change your advert to offering an apprenticeship which pays 40% of the gross value of the piercings undertaken? Just a thought.
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!RaftiInstitute - 2005-09-10 14:22:53 Uhr
I personally recommend avoiding paying anyone for a “Job”. A human biology course is not appropriate either as you need to know about sterilization, preventing cross contamination and bloodborne pathogen training.
I personally found that studios charge anywhere from nothing to $3,000 up front to “Apprentice” a piercer, and sadly the apprentice is often discouraged once they pay the money and teaching is sometimes non-existent.
The people in the profession who’ve assumed that I own studios keep using the phrase “they pay me to be my slave!” and to a lesser extent “I work them so hard they don’t come back!” And some studios hire people who lie about their experience without so much as a decent interview, or any reference check at all. Some of what studio owners have told me to too reprehensible to repeat.
The good news is that legislators in Suffolk County have had so many notable experiences with so called “apprenticeships” (some of which involved illegal contracts and abusive employers) that the Government is ready to require much more oversight over training and licensing of apprentices.
I was quoted a price of $1,500 by a local studio and told that when they thought I was ready they would send me over to the department of Health for formal testing, they also wanted to charge me $500 for a tool kit that only had about $250 worth of retail priced tools in it. When I told the Health inspector what had happened he laughed and wanted to know who said this to me and where, I resisted, but word got back to the studio and they stopped apprenticeships immediately.
Not only would I not recommend paying for an apprenticeship but I’d strongly recommend first talking to the local health department to find out what is really required to become a legal piercer as sometimes what the studios want you to believe is far from the truth.
In the studios defense most people who want to become piercers or tattooists do not stick withy it and offering a free apprenticeship typically results in a huge waste of time for the artist when the apprentice decides to move onto other things, often without notice.
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!xtremly_pierced_n_tattooed - 2005-09-12 11:17:11 Uhr
personally i think the paid apprenticeship program is a crock of @!#$ but beyond that, that is not my issue right at this moment.
before apprenticeships costed anything. the popele coming into the business for the first time were treated like dogs, made to do everything from clean the toilets with a tooth brush to getting peoples lunch AND paying for it. this totally proved dedication to the business and to the employer. i want to know why things have to change. anyone can pay for an apprenticeship program, but being treated like @!#$ day after day and still wanting to come back for more. that is the old school way, that is how it all began. and my question to you RaftiInstitute, what do you do? do you tattoo, so you pierce, so you own a shop or what? i see no credentials on your profile, so what is it that you do that makes you want to change all these laws?
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!RaftiInstitute - 2005-09-13 16:23:18 Uhr
What I do professionally is not an issue; credentials in this industry are a joke (unless to meet a legal requirement). The local health department asked employees at every studio they visited if they want an apprenticeship program and they all said “yes”, but none of them had anything to contribute in the way of training requirements, the local health inspector told me that he’d be “very interested in having me review and comment on the proposed law changes, as well as make my own suggestions.” You do not have to think that I have any credentials, I’d prefer if you though I was some idiot who needs to have everything explained to me. I don’t care what your credentials are, all I care about is if you can give me ideas that will help steer the industry out the “semi-professional” realm so that medical professionals will gain trust in the body modification industry, which will eventually lead to a better relationship between artists and the Health department. Tell me what your ideal apprenticeship program would involve and what legal concerns you’d like addressed and I’ll do my best to figure out how it can fit into the whole “master plan”. Instead of wondering what my credentials are, wonder what went so horribly wrong that lawmakers turn to me for advice. Last time I went to a local university students lined up to shake my hand, and ask questions about the profession (I was so surprised that I looked over my shoulder expecting to see someone like Christina Aguilera drawing the crowd in). We are living through strange days indeed.
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!xtremly_pierced_n_tattooed - 2005-09-13 21:22:13 Uhr
well from that last post basically you have no credentials and you are trying to do a favor for the health department when you are just a nobody.
i never said i knew everything about piercing or that i have these great credentials but dont discredit people who are actually IN the industry when you only think you study it. i don't want you to change anything. if i want something changed iw ill work for it to get changed because i know better than you what needs to be changed. i always attend my classes and keep up to date on everything so as to know the new laws and as far as even new diseases out and still always blood blourne pathogens and principles of infection control. yeah i do wonder why lawmakers come to you and not to people who really matter.
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!RaftiInstitute - 2005-09-14 14:04:50 Uhr
They did ask all the local piercers questions and got some feedback from the industry. They even attracted immature insults from a Canadian lad, no constructive comments just insults. The industry could be much more helpful to it's own cause than it is. I went to the last board meeting of the Health department and would love to see the same level of cooperation between studios that I see at the health department. The industry actually asked for an apprenticeship program of some sort, but had nothing to contribute along the lines of learning requirements. I have reason to believe that they are going to get an apprenticeship program, they will probably say it's not what they wanted, but then again it's easier to complain than to be a part of the solution.
Keep on wondering if that makes you feel good, but last time I went to the local college students asked "who's the old guy" then lined up to shake my hand and ask questions, I've even had occasional autograph requests- I'm still shocked!
Strange days indeed!
END OF IT ALLxtremly_pierced_n_tattooed - 2005-09-14 19:15:48 Uhr
SO it has come to my attention that you really do not have any credentials. they are all made up and you actually know nothing about the industry other than your own conclusions. i do not appreciate you coming on here trying to discredit me and my sources when you are the one who wrote a book and plagerized the whole thing. these conversations are over and i STRONGLY SUGGEST EVERYONE READ THIS ARTICLE DONE ON WILLIAM RAFTI written in 2003 about how much of a fraud he is and he thinks he is someone he is not. Mr Fafti i am done conversing with you and you are wong on all issues and i don't know who you think you are trying to pry into this industry and pretend be be who you are not. that is one thing i do not do. here is the link to the article, it was written in 2003. he has been at this a long time and is still a fake. http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20031205.html
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!BlackWolf99 - 2005-09-30 04:39:18 Uhr
you know i agree with you...apprentices should have to work their a**'es off i mean if they really want it make them work....that will bring out the ones who are in it or the right reasons and the ones who aren't. besides..paying for an apprenticeship just means you know how to do it...but working for it...that means you know how to do it and are dedicated to doing it THE RIGHT WAY...and maybe its me..but i would rather have it done the right way....though i contradict myself being as i do most of my own piercings...but piercings i get from a shop...i want done the right way..cause thats usually the more risky stuff for me.
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!weirdo - 2006-01-03 09:08:41 Uhr
I totally agree with BlackWolf and xtremly! Apprentices should have to work hard! The old school way is the best... I dont know if you guys have ever seen the show Miami Ink, but the owner of the shop goes by the old school ways.. He says it feeds out the people who really want to be in the buisness and its true! The people who stick around after all the crap really have the heart for piercing or doing tattoos and thats really important..You have to have your heart in it to do a good job if you ask me!
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!Flopinderus - 2006-01-08 02:41:15 Uhr
I agree, that you should do the easyest piercings by yourself...but clean andwell you figure it out in time....but those piercings where absolute correctness is needed you should get in a body art shop......
....the tattoos....tattoos you should all get in a bodyart shop, believe me homemade tattoos are allmost allways @!#$...well not @!#$ but just messy and badly don....there are examples of course...but please, do it in right places, blame yourselves if you will get a shity tattoo done by a rooky with a @!#$ machine...I have warned you ];D
Re: PIERCING APPRENTICE NEEDED!!ZombieSanchez - 2006-10-08 03:57:51 Uhr
Damn to far... I would jump at that!
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